PolyDad (polydad) wrote in asmaida,

Citizenship, child rights, communications protocols

We'd started with the rights of children, but I think it's a broader issue: Who and/or what is or can be a citizen, and how do we tell? I spend a lot of time out on Los Angeles Harbor, and some sea lions of my acquaintance would make much better citizens than many h. saps I know. And others, not. Often a sea lion is no more or less than a seven-hundred pound inarticulate beach bum. Then again, that differs from a number of current major political figures only by gross weight.

I think the current USAian system of telling maturity by age is awful and not very functional; same logic as above. Setting criteria for citizenship and reassessing the population periodically might be a better idea. Assuming that anyone whose body is within these boundaries is a citizen is another approach. I don't have any decisions to pronounce; I'm still investigating issues.

Speaking of which, is scooterbird or someone going to summarize all this? I'm not sure which points are currently being discussed, or what the latest state of the discussion is, or how I'd tell. It'd seem that some form of DB would be useful, but I'm not sure how big a job we're talking about.


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For now, this community is our archive. efbq mentioned something about a wiki somewhere we could use for summarization. We should look into that...
I think scooterbird is also supposed to post a poll after the discussions have calmed down, so that we can vote on the major options if we haven't reached a clear consensus (or even to confirm the consensus if we have).

Hm... some sort of citizenship test, even for natives? From your previous comments I gather that you feel there should be no minimum (chronological) age for citizenship...

The question is not only what's on the test, but who designs it and who scores it? Personally, I think we should be pretty inclusive, but should have a 'use it or lose it' clause for right to vote? Perhaps is you miss five election cycles you have to apply for voting rights again? What other rights of citizenship are we talking about?

This doesn't address the legal rights/responsibilities of children and parents which we were skirting around in the previous thread, but we can keep that one on the back burner for a while longer if you like,
I've just realized we can't post a poll on this community. Maybe we can just use DemoChoice?
Explain DemoChoice?


Hi! I followed the link over here from worldmaking. Your project looks interesting. I guess I'll jump right in with some suggestions.

What does citizenship mean? I see it as including both obligations and entitlements. Typical obligations include taxes and public service. Public service can be anything from jury duty to military service. You could even make voting an obligation--citizens could be required to vote. Of course, voting is usually considered an entitlement--citizens have the right to vote. Other entitlements might be health care, education, pensions, welfare (food and housing), and the right to enter into contracts.

Is everyone a citizen? Maybe you have to complete a certain amount of public service in order to become a citizen? If there are enough types of public service for everyone to find something they are capable of doing (thinking mainly of physical limitations here, but perhaps certain psychological and mental limitations, as well), then it's fair because it's available if they choose to do it.

How about multiple levels of citizenship? Could there be one or more intermediate categories? Maybe you have to actively seek full citizenship (such as by performing public service), but those who don't still have some of the obligations and entitlements (which ones?).